tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7658526372996117205.post1402941288768701855..comments2023-09-29T05:32:04.308-07:00Comments on StrangePegs: Creating a Masterpiece (an Indie Life post)Andrew Leonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13964775673414653644noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7658526372996117205.post-21902681138773588972013-12-12T21:31:53.929-08:002013-12-12T21:31:53.929-08:00Lexa: Well, that, and many of them just took on ap...Lexa: Well, that, and many of them just took on apprentices to do a lot of the work. Like Michelangelo didn't paint that ceiling by himself.Andrew Leonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13964775673414653644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7658526372996117205.post-51094875681411518662013-12-12T21:04:13.970-08:002013-12-12T21:04:13.970-08:00I think the origin of masterpiece is fascinating! ...I think the origin of masterpiece is fascinating! In a way, it resembles a master's or doctoral thesis. Knowing experts will be judging must make some apprentices try extra heard. And I think some "masters" might get a bit lazy further on in their careers when they know they'll make money on their name alone. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07735576044552810103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7658526372996117205.post-43184853130920365742013-12-12T20:08:09.087-08:002013-12-12T20:08:09.087-08:00Maurice: That's true. And it's good to rem...Maurice: That's true. And it's good to remember things and how things started and where they came from.<br /><br />David: Oh, wow! Well, thank you! I didn't think about this post that way, but, hmmm..., maybe I will have to. I can't wait to see your review! (Yes, that's a bit more than a hint.)Andrew Leonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13964775673414653644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7658526372996117205.post-35379444740548382732013-12-12T12:42:39.321-08:002013-12-12T12:42:39.321-08:00First this was just greatly informative, especiall...First this was just greatly informative, especially for someone like me, who plays video games that sling these terms around but I've never known for sure what they meant - such as Journeyman. <br />Then, in a single sentence, the post became the greatest sales pitch ever. I even bought your masterpiece, knowing "Christmas on the Corner" is better! How could I not?<br />Well done.<br />Now I'm heading to Indie Life to see what that's all about.<br />David T Listhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01926089396786215115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7658526372996117205.post-1304939498280992142013-12-12T12:09:50.673-08:002013-12-12T12:09:50.673-08:00This is a great history lesson and life lesson. It...This is a great history lesson and life lesson. It takes years to "master" a skill or craft, but the great ones take a skill and make it their own.Maurice Mitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15338165486757095191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7658526372996117205.post-82212108511411686372013-12-12T10:43:40.034-08:002013-12-12T10:43:40.034-08:00RG: No, I haven't read them. I'm not sure ...RG: No, I haven't read them. I'm not sure I'll ever get around to reading anymore Card than I already have.<br /><br />TAS: If I'm remembering correctly, the first use of it (in literature) in a way that is more along the lines of how we use it was around 1650, but it was in the 1800s when the change in uses really began, and it was as we use it now by the 1900s. -If- I'm remembering correctly.<br /><br />Misha: It is a nice way to think about it.Andrew Leonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13964775673414653644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7658526372996117205.post-82373082381659450792013-12-12T10:17:40.164-08:002013-12-12T10:17:40.164-08:00That's really interesting! It makes a lot more...That's really interesting! It makes a lot more sense, really, and it's a nice way to think about it. :-DMisha Gerrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06364173848456424521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7658526372996117205.post-35899396276951504542013-12-12T05:36:02.624-08:002013-12-12T05:36:02.624-08:00Interesting. So, this begs the question: when did...Interesting. So, this begs the question: when did the switch happen? When did masterpiece take on its modern definition? I might need to spend some time with the OED today...The Armchair Squidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509001761075530940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7658526372996117205.post-89205505507389408202013-12-11T19:49:36.912-08:002013-12-11T19:49:36.912-08:00OSC's Alvin Maker series kind of centered arou...OSC's Alvin Maker series kind of centered around Alvin's master piece, how he was able to make it, and what he planned to do with it. It's great reading if you haven't read them already. :) Remembering Gracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14760441035721518260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7658526372996117205.post-24030614209577509192013-12-11T18:52:49.021-08:002013-12-11T18:52:49.021-08:00L.G.: So does that mean it's going to have a l...L.G.: So does that mean it's going to have a lot about blood in it?<br /><br />Rusty: Oh, no. No endorsement for traditional publishing at all. There has to be at least some level of objective distance involved, which traditional publishing does not have. The guilds looked at the quality of the piece, not whether it was going to make any money.<br /><br />Michael: I thought so.<br /><br />ABftS: You may certainly print it out :)<br /><br />Jeanne: They actually are where those came from as far as I could tell. For some professions/arts, a written paper was required.<br /><br />Jo: I'm not much for the Mona Lisa, either, actually. I mean, it's okay, but I much prefer Van Gogh.Andrew Leonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13964775673414653644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7658526372996117205.post-3823541280852737342013-12-11T18:11:12.314-08:002013-12-11T18:11:12.314-08:00That was an interesting read Andrew. I didn't ...That was an interesting read Andrew. I didn't know that. I should have because I have read a lot about such apprenticeships and their transitions to Journeymen and Masters, but it never clicked that their contribution to be counted a master was the origin of the word masterpiece. <br /><br />By the way, I do NOT like the Mona Lisa. Up close it's even worse and I saw it before they put it behind glass etc. Also, it's so small.Johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14087140585742801854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7658526372996117205.post-10925263913792656582013-12-11T16:10:33.360-08:002013-12-11T16:10:33.360-08:00I didn't know that about Oxford and the Univer...I didn't know that about Oxford and the University of Paris. That's an amazing legacy. "Masterpieces" seem a lot like graduate theses. Except probably less soul-crushing.J E Oneilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09780097298061829471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7658526372996117205.post-90899989107752839672013-12-11T15:39:27.860-08:002013-12-11T15:39:27.860-08:00I had no idea this is what constituted a masterpie...I had no idea this is what constituted a masterpiece. Can I print out this post so I can call my own story a "masterpiece" without looking like a pretentious jerk?A Beer for the Showerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17029139745335325356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7658526372996117205.post-53263523940421764852013-12-11T15:28:36.148-08:002013-12-11T15:28:36.148-08:00Interesting take on masterpiece.Interesting take on masterpiece.Michael Offutt, Phantom Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10557969104886174930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7658526372996117205.post-7963052581075490022013-12-11T14:55:12.283-08:002013-12-11T14:55:12.283-08:00That is interesting. I did not know that, which, f...That is interesting. I did not know that, which, for me at least, feels like a slap in the face.<br /><br />So who gets to declare a work as a masterpiece? But this almost seems like an endorsement for traditional publishing. Rusty Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09887821877521181811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7658526372996117205.post-87256492705719437692013-12-11T12:11:15.673-08:002013-12-11T12:11:15.673-08:00I'm working on it. It will be a crowning achie...I'm working on it. It will be a crowning achievement of stupendous genius and…nah. Just writing the book my heart wants to tell right now. :)Luanne G. Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15762881276976395955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7658526372996117205.post-57225775401492165462013-12-11T10:55:18.235-08:002013-12-11T10:55:18.235-08:00Alex: Everyone has to have a starting point; the a...Alex: Everyone has to have a starting point; the alternative is not starting.<br /><br />Pk: Yeah, each work of art needs to incorporate some new bit that we've learned since the last piece.<br /><br />Elsie: Exactly.<br /><br />GP: Hmm... I'll have to go back and look at your graph again.Andrew Leonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13964775673414653644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7658526372996117205.post-64939141609496759762013-12-11T06:30:55.341-08:002013-12-11T06:30:55.341-08:00By that definition I guess I wrote my "master...By that definition I guess I wrote my "masterpiece" like 20 years ago, lol.PT Dillowayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09394481476862013009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7658526372996117205.post-22180832521982651582013-12-11T06:14:39.711-08:002013-12-11T06:14:39.711-08:00Well then, I guess I'm working on my masterpie...Well then, I guess I'm working on my masterpiece now. Hmm, I like the sound of that!<br /><br />I was lucky enough to visit the Louvre when my hubby was stationed overseas. Amazing works are presented there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7658526372996117205.post-27486374558869788532013-12-11T04:57:42.513-08:002013-12-11T04:57:42.513-08:00That's how I see it too. For us personally, ea...That's how I see it too. For us personally, each work is our masterpiece while we're working it. Then the next work becomes the masterpiece, each time getting better and craftier. The point is to treat each work like a masterpiece so we give it our heart and soul.PK HREZOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11650153097981426833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7658526372996117205.post-42478402081580588342013-12-11T03:49:10.673-08:002013-12-11T03:49:10.673-08:00If the masterpiece is the first one, then that rem...If the masterpiece is the first one, then that removes a lot of pressure. Mine's out there in the world, and while there are things I would definitely change in CassaStar (can't give specifics as I've never gone back to read it once it was published and probably never will) I know that I have improved since then. It was a starting point and one I'm still proud of.Alex J. Cavanaughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09770065693345181702noreply@blogger.com